Webdocumentaire et enjeux historiographiques – AAC Conserveries mémorielles

C’est un plaisir de partager sur Cinémadoc, l’appel à contribution Webdocumentaire et enjeux historiographiques que nous lançons, avec Martin Bonnard, pour un numéro thématique de la revue Conserveries mémorielles. Les propositions d’articles (une page maximum) ainsi qu’une courte biographie sont attendues pour le 1er avril 2022. Elles sont à envoyer à remy.besson@umontreal.ca et martin.bonnard2@mail.mcgill.ca Les articles peuvent être rédigés en français ou en anglais. Si la proposition est sélectionnée, l’article, qui ne devra pas dépasser 35 000 signes, devra être rédigé avant le 31 août 2022. Une version en anglais de cet appel existe également (le texte a été traduit par Naomi Morgan): Webdocumentary and historiographical issues

Webdocumentaire et enjeux historiographiques

À première vue on pourrait classer le webdocumentaire au rayon des formes médiatiques ayant bénéficié d’un engouement aussi intense qu’éphémère autour des années 2010. Son utilisation continue pourtant à se développer au tournant des années 2020, mais en dehors de son ancrage initial, un intérêt particulier pour cette forme audiovisuelle hétérogène et délinéarisée gagnant, en effet, du terrain au sein de la recherche en sciences humaines et sociales. Cela nous conduit à soulever des questionnements d’ordre méthodologiques et à identifier des enjeux qui ont à voir tant avec l’écriture de l’histoire qu’avec l’histoire publique. 

Le webdocumentaire permet d’agréger des témoignages (parfois fournis par les internautes eux-mêmes), des images d’archives, des données historiques dans certains cas massives, etc. Il se distingue des écrits et autres formes de films historiques par sa structure délinéarisée et lacunaire. Il revient à ses utilisateurs-rices de dessiner leur propre cheminement à l’intérieur des contenus proposés et, en retour, aux concepteurs-rices de prévoir la possibilité d’un visionnement sélectif et donc partiel. L’accès aux contenus mis à disposition et l’entrée dans les parcours possibles repose, bien souvent, sur la consultation d’une page d’accueil reposant sur une visualisation : chronologie proposée avec embranchements, séquence animée ludique, carte incluant des contenus audiovisuels ou encore carte conceptuelle faisant ressortir des notions. Cette visualisation assume parfois pleinement la non-linéarité du format (et donc du propos historique) ou, au contraire, conduit à un retour vers une forme plus classique de présentation des contenus (enchaînement de courtes séquences audiovisuelles, par exemple). L’agencement des différents éléments convoqués (textes, sons, images fixes ou animées) constitue également un enjeu, l’interface conçue étant plus ou moins réflexive. Ainsi, elle révèle parfois la base de données dans laquelle ces éléments sont indexés alors que dans d’autres cas un véritable travail d’invisibilisation de ces sources a lieu.

Manipuler et donner sens à ces sources hétérogènes constitue une tâche nouvelle pour de nombreux historiens et historiennes, tout en renvoyant à des interrogations récurrentes à propos de la sélection, de la retouche et de la prise en considération d’aspects esthétiques et éthiques dans l’usage des sources documentaires. Ces choix n’ont pas seulement à voir avec les logiciels utilisés et les compétences techniques des équipes de création, mais aussi avec les orientations historiographiques adoptées de manière consciente ou non. Il est, en effet, possible de créer des webdocumentaires en les inscrivant dans des modèles aussi variés que ceux de l’histoire quantitative, de l’histoire orale, de la microhistoire, de l’histoire locale, de l’histoire des représentations et des sensibilités, etc. Cela n’est pas sans conséquence sur leur format et la place qu’ils accordent à leurs sources.

Il faut lire ces interrogations dans le contexte de la production d’un objet web tourné vers la diffusion, conçu pour rejoindre des publics qui se trouvent en dehors des murs de l’université. Deux conséquences nous intéressent particulièrement ici : le rôle accordé aux usagers dans la constitution du projet, en particulier dans les webdocs dit « participatifs », ainsi que la nécessité de travailler à l’accessibilité du contenu entre écriture de l’histoire et vecteur de mémoire. Dans le second cas, le webdoc peut se mettre au service d’un groupe marginalisé afin de devenir vecteur de visibilité de la mémoire portée par ce dernier (on pense ici à des perspectives décoloniales, féministes, etc.). Lorsque le webdoc travaille ainsi à mettre en perspective les présupposés du présent, il évolue sur une fine ligne, à cheval entre simplification du propos et durcissement de celui-ci (pour les raisons évoquées précédemment, pour le rendre plus attractif ou plus efficace), d’un côté, et volonté de complexification, de l’autre. Il s’agit alors de se demander qui sont les acteurs de ces processus de simplification ou du maintien d’une forme de complexité. Il est alors pertinent de réfléchir, sans présupposé hâtif, en termes de composition des différents pôles réunis autour de la conception des webdocumentaires de recherche (groupe de recherche, équipe de webdesign, représentant des institutions, personnes et groupes associés, etc.) et de comprendre le rôle des chercheurs-ses dans la constitution, autour d’un thème historique, d’un espace et d’un temps de création.

Travaillé ainsi à créer les conditions propices à la création du webdoc implique également d’adapter les processus de production, afin d’intégrer le rapport au temps long, que celui-ci concerne les événements eux-mêmes – et la transformation de leur lecture au cours du temps, la temporalité de la recherche en histoire ou encore la circulation du webdoc et sa réception qui doivent, elles aussi, être pensée dans la durée. Pour que le webdocumentaire et ses outils puissent accompagner le travail de longue haleine de la recherche, cette dernière doit pouvoir s’adapter aux temporalités courtes et toujours changeantes des environnements numériques.

Le numéro proposé sera enfin l’occasion d’observer, en quelque sorte dans un effet de retour, les changements et les apprentissages induits par ces projets sur les modes de médiation du passé. Les échanges de méthodes, de concepts et d’outils au sein des équipes de production apparaissent comme des voies de diversification de la pratique de l’histoire et plus généralement d’une transformation d’une forme de regard (audiovisuel, informé et rigoureux) porté sur le passé.

Parmi les sujets couverts par cet appel à texte :

  • des retours d’expérience sur des projets menés en recherche-création et/ou en histoire publique
  • des réflexions historiographiques ou épistémologiques issues d’une pratique de conception de documentaires interactifs
  • des retours d’expérience sur des méthodes développées pour assurer le partage de l’autorité entre les différents acteurs des équipes de création et la réalisation de tels projets historiques en “autorité partagée”.
  • des mises en perspectives des outils et des formes de travail propres à ses objets web à l’aide de projets documentaires existants (menés à l’intérieur ou à l’extérieur du cadre universitaire)
  • des explorations d’utilisations particulièrement pertinentes des sources dans des webdocumentaires (critical fabulation, anarchive, histoire orale, archéologie des médias)
  • des études revenant sur les choix de mise en circulation des webdocumentaires historiques et sur les différentes méthodes de conceptualisation et de mise en oeuvre de la diffusion des projets, et ce à différentes étapes de leur réalisation.

Bibliographie indicative

Aston, J., Gaudenzi, S., & Rose, M. (dir.). (2017). I-Docs : The Evolving Practices of Interactive Documentary. Wallflower Press.

Besson, R. (2015). Archives visuelles et documentaire interactif: Vers un nouveau mode de médiation du passé?. Synoptique, 4(2), 86-104.

Chatelet, C. (2016). Webdocumentaire, documentaire interactif, idoc, jeu documentaire… Les enjeux des «nouvelles» formes audiovisuelles documentaires. Entrelacs. Cinéma et audiovisuel, (12).

Frisch, M. (1990). A Shared Authority: Essays on the Craft and Meaning of Oral and Public History. State University of New York Press.

Gantier, S., & Bolka-Tabary, L. (2011). L’expérience immersive du web documentaire : Études de cas et pistes de réflexion. Les Cahiers du journalisme, 22/23, 118-133.

Gebeil, S. (2021). Ecrire l’histoire à l’ère des narrativités numériques – Fos 200 : Un webdocumentaire sur deux siècles d’histoire industrielle, sociale et environnementale de Fos-sur-Mer / Étang de Berre. Revue française des méthodes visuelles, 5.

Hayles, N. K. (2012). How we think: Digital media and contemporary technogenesis. University of Chicago Press.

Klein, A. (2020). Le webdocumentaire : Un outil numérique innovant au service de l’enseignement, de la recherche et de la valorisation. Humanités numériques, 2.

Kinder, M. (2003). Honoring the past and creating the future in cyberspace: New technologies and cultural specificity. The Contemporary Pacific, 93-115.

Miller, L., & Allor, M. (2016). Choreographies of collaboration : Social engagement in interactive documentaries. Studies in Documentary Film, 10(1), 53‑70.

Nash, K. (2021). Interactive Documentary: Theory and Debate. Routledge.

Soulez, G. (2017). Le moment du choix : Délibération, écriture de l’histoire et webdocumentaire historique. Revue française des sciences de l’information et de la communication, 10.

Paci, V., & Bonnard, M. (2015). Le webdocumentaire à la croisée d’un réseau…. Cahiers du CIRCAV, 24, 153‑172.

Puget, C. (2019). Webdocumentaire, jeu vidéo et Histoire. Destins liés ? Essais, 15, 43‑61.

Zéau, C. (2015). Du documentaire d’auteur au webdocumentaire : Discours et formes. Images documentaires, 84, 85‑98.

 

The digital as memory environment

C’est un plaisir de partager sur Cinémadoc, la traduction en anglais de l’introduction du dossier de la revue Mémoires en jeu de l’automne 2021 (numéro 14) intitulé: The digital as memory environment. J’ai eu le plaisir de codiriger ce dossier avec Sébastien Ledoux. J’ai déjà partagé la version originale en français de cette introduction sur ce carnet de recherche. Je tiens à remercier Naòmi Morgan pour sa traduction du français vers l’anglais.  Vous pouvez commander ce numéro sur le site de la revue. Vous pouvez aussi consulter en accès libre sur Cinémadoc: la version PDF du sommaire et de l’introduction.

The digital as memory environment

In memory of Bernard Stiegler

This dossier of Memories at stake offers an overview of the relationship between memory and the digital. While the definition of the latter term is relatively simple – “Digital can be defined as any data represented by a series of digits”1 – its meaning in the context of this issue needs to be clarified. Indeed, the word ‘digital’ is sometimes used to identify a new mass medium. Within this paradigm, ‘digital’ – which today, in this sense, is in fact almost a synonym for the Web – falls within the scope of the relation between the press and posters, broadcasting, cinema and television. In the same way as newspapers and magazines, broadcasts and films, digital content is made accessible via a computer, a tablet, a phone or a smart watch, augmented or virtual reality glasses. It may be a question of studying a web documentary, a video channel shared on Youtube by an amateur, a researcher’s notebook, the website of a memory institution, a blog maintained by a member of an activist association, etc. Such an understanding is reassuring, because it does not require much adaptation for those who are already interested in the relationship between memory and media. ‘Digital’ thus corresponds to one field of exploration among others, that of Memory Studies.

Within the context of this introduction, we wish to approach the digital in a rather different way. From our point of view, what needs to be taken into account is a societal change, both technological and cultural (Rieffel). In other words, the digital is not just a new way of representing the past. Its advent affects most of our daily activities and practices. It transforms our imagination and the way we remember the past. It also changes the way we consult archives, index them, access the work of our colleagues, create a bibliography, write a scientific article, teach face-to-face and on-line, etc. In this respect, the current pandemic is only accelerating and making more visible a fundamental movement that has already been underway for several decades. Beyond the world of teaching and research, digital technology is transforming the way we communicate, shop, entertain ourselves, travel, etc. This observation leads to the designation of our era as a digital age. To make such an observation leads us to distance ourselves from any form of discourse that would a priori lean towards a form of technophilia or, conversely, a form of technophobia. Rather, it is a matter of adopting a reflective approach which, while noting the place that digital technology is taking in our lives, is capable of distancing itself from the tools, discourses, cultural, social and economic uses of digital technology to which we are exposed on a daily basis. Marcello Vitali-Rosati believes in this perspective that “the digital is the space in which we live. It is no longer a question of tools at the service of old practices, but of an environment in which we are immersed, which determines and shapes our world and our culture.” (Vitali-Rosati, p. 69). Sébastien Févry states that the digital is “a media environment within which the memorial subject operates. The latter is not only confronted with new memory applications, but is also situated within an interconnected universe that guides and conditions a large part of its recollection processes” (Févry). The question at the origin of this dossier is to know and to understand how this new social environment affects our individual and collective ways of remembering the past. The co-editor-in-chief of the journal Memory Studies, Andrew Hoskins, speaks of a connective turn that has consequences for our personal and social memory. He considers that in order to study this turn, “[it] is critical to recognize that a new ontology for memory studies is needed that is cognizant of media, and not as some partial or occasional or temporary shaper of memory, but as fundamentally altering what it is and what is possible to remember and to forget.” (Hoskins, p. 7). It is about taking into account the fact that our memory is ever more equipped by the fact that we delegate an increasing part of our capacity to remember to digital devices (internal and external hard drive, USB stick, server, etc.), and that our memory activities themselves are increasingly carried out through digital technical devices (mobile phone, tablet, computer). Hoskins thus calls for the creation of specific Digital Memory Studies. Objects such as the data we create – intentionally or unintentionally – are integrated into this field of study on a daily basis, as they form an important part of our social activities. Text messages and emails sent, minutes spent in video conferences, photographs and videos captured, multimedia content shared on social networks become a constitutive element of our relationship to our individual and social memory. The emphasis is thus placed on a transformation of our media ‘ecology’, also analysed by the philosopher Bernard Stiegler in a broader perspective on the history of techniques and their temporal effects (Stiegler). In order to study this new memorial environment, we propose, in the wake of Hoskins position, to develop a critical approach to the mediatisation of our relationship with our memory (Van Dijck), to the acceleration of our perception of time, to its withdrawal into a present time whose limits are being redefined, as well as to the omnipresence of traces of the past in all of our usual digital devices. It is also essential to question the appropriation and reconfiguration of these memorial traces by a few private companies that monetise them and a few states that control their circulation. Finally, it is important to emphasise that this control and monetisation are not limited to the data produced by users. Thus, most software, plug-ins, content management systems and video hosting sites of the so-called social media are run by private groups. This means that the digital environment in which we live is, to a very large extent, closed. Proprietary codes and algorithms are not communicated to users and users cannot change them.

Such facts reinforce the need for a critical approach to thinking about the relationship between memory and the digital. Research in media studies provides many avenues for reflection in this direction. First of all, the history of the media allows us to put into perspective and thus to nuance the impression that this type of transformation is unprecedented. In other words, the link between memory and mediation is in no way unique to the digital age. The advent of writing, of the printed word, of the technical reproducibility of cultural and artistic productions have all constituted comparable upheavals (comparable in the sense that they are of course different) for our individual and social memory. For each of these transformations of our media ecology, social actors have held technophobic and technophilic discourses in the public space, so much so that these discourses have become objects of study in their own right for those interested in the history of media and memory. Secondly, media archaeology invites us to distance ourselves from the thesis that technological progress is leading us towards an ever more direct, immediate and transparent mode of access to the past (Parikka). The availability and individual appropriation of memory objects, thus favoured by digital tools, particularly in their immersive device (virtual and augmented reality), leads to the illusion of an erasure of the past, the past understood here as that which for us, and irrevocably so, is an absent thing. In this respect, digital technology induces a powerful effect of synchrony. In fact, each technological innovation – digital technology is no exception to this – and its memorial uses redefine complex relationships to the past, which always involves a mediation that inevitably institutes a form of opacity (Bolter & Grusin). Moreover, if the ways and traces of remembering are reconfigured in the digital age, the traditional distinctions between present/past, private/public, individual/social memory, remain operative. Rather than thinking in terms of digital revolution, radical rupture, permanent disruption, it is also important to consider the advent of the digital age in the field of memory in terms of transformation, reconfiguration and continuity. It is also necessary to be able to envisage spaces on the fringe that are not fundamentally (or only slightly) transformed by the digital2. It is also possible to think of forms of coexistence between spaces of public debates on social networks and other types of knowledge sharing such as the publication of a monograph, which are still relatively indifferent to acceleration, ubiquity or the injunction to a form of interactivity. Another recurring question in memory studies is that the advent of digital technology does not create a shared memory any more than the intensification of memory policies, but it does modify the processes of memory sharing through access to and personal use of archives or digitised testimonies (Merzeau; Beaudouin, Chevallier & Maurel). Furthermore, the democratisation of memory induced by the digital era through self-publishing and sharing practices and the formation of memorial communities on the web does not constitute a rupture, but rather an acceleration of phenomena observed since the 1970s through the valorisation of a history of one’s own (Bensa & Fabre), the patrimonialisation carried out by history enthusiasts and the public recounting of minority memories; a phenomenon that was then supported and accompanied by the development of oral history. However, the dossier pays attention to the recent transformations brought about by the digital on individual and social memory, as well as to the new ways of doing research by authors who find themselves confronted with objects in constant mutation. Silvestra Mariniello explains that intermediality “marks the passage from a theory of society that contains the media – a conception generally established today [in 2011] – to a theory in which society, socialities and media are constantly co-constructing and destroying each other” (Mariniello, p. 13). This last change of perspective seems essential to us. The digital does not only correspond to a set of new tools that we use, but above all to a changing environment in which we evolve daily. It is not a fashion, gadgets, playful and informational interfaces, which we can choose to embrace or to distance ourselves from. Rather, it is a term to designate the way in which most of our tools, our archives, our objects of study, our research practices as well as the modes of mediation of memory are being transformed by technologies that are themselves evolving rapidly (Bonnot & Lamassé).

The eight articles that make up this dossier address these different aspects: tools, archives, modes of mediation and digital objects. They do so by giving a particular place to their own digital practices. This point, common to most of the research in this dossier, deserves to be emphasized. Indeed, the effort that researchers make to change their way of interpreting their object of study (individual and social memories), by taking into account technological and socio-cultural issues, regularly leads them to adopting a reflexive approach. As they are part of a field of study that is still relatively recent, they feel the need to give an account of their inclusion in a new episteme, the utopian nature of which they sometimes glimpse, the limits of which they sometimes test and, finally, the unthought-of and unspoken aspects of which they regularly criticise. These articles also regularly discuss the choice of tools used to carry out their research. In some cases, it is a question of sharing the way in which the acquisition of computer skills has changed their practice as researchers, in other cases, of explaining how they have worked in collaboration with computer technology professionals, or of the fact that they preferred to keep a safe distance from any form of consideration of technical tools whose mastery seemed too complex to them. Moreover, this research often claims to be part of the field of free software and the highest degree of open circulation of data possible produced by the human and social sciences. This last aspect can be interpreted as constituting a form of almost militant response to the mostly closed and ‘proprietary’ character of digital software.

Let us now begin the presentation of the articles by insisting on four complementary aspects: tools, archives, modes of mediation and digital objects. Frédéric Clavert shows how Twitter’s streaming application programming interfaces (APIs) can collect up to 1% of the tweets sent each day. The digital tools then lead to the constitution of massive bodies of data that induce another relationship to sources that might seem confusing to the uninformed reader in that this relationship is at first sight very technical. The author exploits them by using software to analyse the main themes of the official commemorations of the Centenary of the Great War in 2018 on Twitter. Using new tools created by the French National Audiovisual Institute (INA), which has been archiving the web since 2009, to collect data from Twitter accounts, Rémi Korman, François Robinet, Jérôme Thièvre and Géraldine Poels study how tweets make it possible to “question the role of socio-numerical networks in the production of memories of the Tutsi genocide”. Focusing on the year 2019 (commemoration of the 25th anniversary of the genocide), the authors identify the main actors and debates of this production. Marie Lavorel also looks at the role of digital tools in the memorialisation of the Tutsi genocide, but this time adopting a more qualitative approach. She demonstrates the interest, for researchers, in creating a database from twenty-eight audiovisual interviews with survivors and tools for annotating the oral and visual content of the testimonies in question. This article thus raises the question of the digital future of archives. Indeed, the testimonies were first filmed, and then, in a second stage, placed online. This accessibility changes their place in the media ecology. They are no longer only (or mainly) sources for researchers, but also contents shared with the different Rwandan communities. The study of online memoirs proposed by Claire Scopsi is also interested in processes of re-editorialization. She shows how documents that were initially kept in the warehouses of heritage institutions and archives are put online and then used by third parties. These contents then become sources for creative, memorial and political uses. Sophie Gebeil’s article looks at archives that are digital from the start. The author provides several avenues for understanding the memorial value of these archives by arguing “for a social and qualitative history of the Web”. This article thus focuses on the modes of mediation of memory constituted by personal sites, blogs, vlogs and other webdocs, just as Frédéric Clavert’s approach highlights the need for a methodology of expertise to set benchmarks in a field in which the reader is, more often than not, a mere user. Giancarlo Grossi and Elisabetta Modena examine video games and virtual and augmented reality experiences as “immersive monuments” that serve to recall a past event by soliciting virtual individual interaction that re-enacts the event itself. These modes of memory mediation are also discussed in Delphine Bechtel’s article, which focuses on the digital environments developed by the memorial museums of the Jewish genocide. The author shows how digital technology has brought the memory of the Holocaust into a new period by promoting immersive virtual experiences and interaction with the public. The investigation thus shifts again since it is less a question of digital tools or archives than of modes of mediation and, finally, of digital objects. This last subject is placed at the heart of Verónica Ferreira’s text which deals with the digital social memory of the veterans of the Portuguese colonial wars. In this case, it is about the online self-publication of their stories and documents. The qualitative study of these personal sites refers in a way to the same type of questioning as the quantitative studies mentioned above, since it is a question of considering the digital as constituting a new public space which is the place of production of different memories and of competition and conflicts between these memories.

It thus remains for us to emphasise both the convergence of the issues and the great diversity of the relationships forged between the digital and memory in these contributions for a dossier which, we hope, constitutes a fine inventory of current research in this field.

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Beaudouin, Valérie, Philippe Chevallier & Lionel Maurel, 2018, Le web français de la Grande Guerre. Réseau amateurs et institutionnels, Nanterre, Presses universitaires de Paris Nanterre.

Bensa, Alban & Daniel Fabre (eds.), 2001, Une Histoire à soi : figurations du passé et localités, Paris, Éditions de la MSH.

Bolter, Jay D. & Richard Grusin, 1999, Remediation, Understanding New Media, Boston, MIT Press.

Bond, Lucy, Stef Craps & Pieter Vermeulen (eds.), 2016, Memory Unbound: Tracing the Dynamics of Memory Studies, New York, Berghahn Books.

Bonnot, Gaëtan & Stéphane Lamassé (eds.), 2019, Dans les dédales du web. Historiens en territoires numériques, Paris, Éditions de la Sorbonne.

Févry, Sébastien, 2017, « Le geste intermédial dans une cartographie des études mémorielles », Intermédialités, no 30-31 [online] http://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/im/2017-n30-31-im03868/1049948ar/ [27/06/2021].

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Parikka, Jussi, 2017, What is media archeology, Grenoble, UGA éditions-Université Grenoble Alpes. https://www.worldcat.org/title/what-is-media-archaeology/oclc/769419861

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  1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_media. In the editorial of the first issue of the journal Humanités numériques, the editorial board states that « The digital, for its part, is a vast range of social instruments interacting with an ever more diverse computer science since it became a driving force in our history », « Editorial. Donner à lire les humanités numériques francophones (1) », Humanités numériques [online], 1, 2020. https://journals. openedition.org/revuehn/507 [27/06/2021]. []
  2. In the book they edited, Memory Unbound: Tracing the Dynamics of Memory Studies (2016), Lucy Bond, Stef Craps and Pieter Vermeulen thus criticise Hoskins’ view. []